he says he will do three things, cut tax rates 20%, as you said, keep the budget deficit from getting larger, and protect the middle class from any tax increases. well, look, if you're going to cut taxes and you're going to be revenue neutral about it, that is not increase the budget deficit, that means somebody is going to have to pay more to offset the fact that somebody is paying less. >> and who is going to pay more? >> well, what mitt romney initially said was that we will just -- we'll get that from the top 1%. we'll get that from wealthy folks. well, that's where the arithmetic comes in. if you look at all of the deductions, you sum them all up, every single tax deduction going to those high-end folk, they don't make up the difference. it's not enough to offset the rate cuts. so you'd have to go to the middle class. >> okay. well, ryan and romney are fond of bragging about how they'll be tough on issues. once again we give you the candidate. >> we'll also take medicaid as well as housing and food stamps, we'll take the dollars that are going in those programs, return them to th